. United States Ungodly treatment of a Godly man and his entire family, not to mention those whose leadership and dedication to the Lord was well-known and long-standing. I guess I missed this one. Been here 25+ times. Hayes, a member of the North Carolina executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention,garnered endorsements from other church leaders, including the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Church members are upset over the treatment of the retiring pastor who served 27 years at FBC Naples FBC Naples, Florida's longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. In November, just weeks after the church excommunicated 18 members, John Garippa, a longtime FBC Naples member who led two popular Bible Studies at FBC Naples, left the church. Takeaway: The treatment of the retiring pastor at FBC Naples is eerily similar to the treatment of the retiring pastor at McLean Bible Church. Click below to hear stories and testimonies of how the Lord has been working in and through our First Naples Family. THAT IS OK! Many church members are staying silent because they fear their children will be kicked out of the Christian school run by the church. All of the events need to be understood in the context of the overriding event and the church governance that permitted this to happen. Why is that? As managing editor of the former Florida Baptist Witness (state paper) I was witness to many of Hayes Wickers years of fruitful ministry. As a side note, is the implication that if a white* person disagrees with a person of colour on the legitimacy of Woke political philosophy/identity-building/self-definition in the church, that person must necessarily be a racist? However, at some point the church leadership became hostile to the longtime pastor, according to church members. Dwight McKissic for comment, but none responded. Hundreds of members have left the church. I think this one would have died even if none of this soap opera garbage had taken place. How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? He didnt rob a liquor store, assault some young person in his office, or do anything wrong that could be cited. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. **Statements about the actions taken by FBC Naples leadership assume the fidelity of Pulpit & Pens inside source. Church leadership responded in an email to members, calling the Voices of FBCNs email inaccurate and slanderous and claiming that a security breach of the churchs email list had occurred. I will say this with as much humility as I can muster at this time.The letter from FBCN was a lie! Im inclined to believe it wasnt racially motivated. Check the upcoming First Baptist Church - Naples schedule for concerts, shows, and events in 2023-2024 to find the best tickets for all events at First Baptist Church - Naples. I can tell you I am not a racist. (The church publishes an annual directory with member email addresses.). Not lies. fell short of the 85% vote required to install him as a pastor. The Holy Spirit inspired him to write his short epistle to people who were struggling with some of these very same issues. It may not be sorted out down here but everyone has to give an account, and especially those in leadership positions of the Lords Church for whom He died. I am sickened by the way he was treated and am grateful for this exposure. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. Namely Hayes Wicker. However, no evidence of racism has yet been produced. Give Online. More Emails: FBC Naples Concerned Party Defends Itself Against Accusations of Racism, VIDEO: A look at the problems at FBC Naples, FBC Naples Insider Speaks Out About Alleged Racism and Unbiblical Excommunications at FBC Naples, Leaked Emails Show That FBC Naples Members Had Serious Concerns About Marcus Hayes Biblical Qualifications. The message at FBCN is clear: get along or get out. I just wish so many from my former church would open their eyes and see whats going on. Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man. This sequence of events raised many questions for me and my wife, Caudill said. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, Now, everything I just said is my opinion. We live in UK now as did Naples Baptist 1st Associate Minisiter but come to Naples Baptist every Dec/Jan. So much for giving church members the benefit of the doubt. "It has nothing to do with race," said William Ericksen, a member of the church for five years and part of the group. First Naples || Livestream - Streaming live from Naples, FL. What does this say about Big Eva? First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. Im not sure why you would describe Dr. Kings sentiments as ridiculous and ungodly. Theres only one human race. ", "While racial issues were brought into play, and horrifically there indeed were some who did not approve Rev. Great! Pastor Hayes is the Pastor. Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. What Happens Now? Garippa said The Naples Gathering has 350 to 400 people attending, 85-percent of whom are former FBC Naples members. Did people voice concerns and questions about Marcus? In addition to this ungodly action, a criminal investigation was instigated by church leadership over email addresses that were allegedly stolen from the church by an anonymous group calling itself Voices of FBCN. But am I not allowed to vote based on my opinion without being called a racist? What would Jesus make of Wokeness intersectionality, and indeed, the movement for resegregation by some of those who are of the Prominent Woke, in light of Galatians 3:28? @Michelle I believe you make valid points. I had the privilege of knowing this young man! The congregation must find a way to publicly be able to bring Hayes Wicker and his family back into this fellowship as loved and former members. The actions described in this article, which by the way are just the tip of the iceberg, were unloving, ungodly, and unbecoming of pastors charged with shepherding Gods flock. Despite these red flags, leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) have supported leaders at FBC Naples. When you see me, you will see I am a black woman. Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Let us pray for you. And on December 31, Wicker said the health insurance provided by the church was cut off for him and his wife, who has a serious heart condition. The First Naples School of Worship Arts exists to develop Christ-honoring worshipers through quality instruction for the purpose of exalting the Lord with their God-given talents and abilities. This man and his family cannot set foot onto church property, he will never again be able to address a congregation where so many hold him in the highest of esteem. When HE transitioned the church from Elders to committees the ground work was laid for unbiblical polity. It is widely known that an 85% affirmative vote is unusually high. Selected and edited comments from an article by Carl Trueman, Revoice, Evangelical Culture, and the Return of an Old Friend (July 31, 2018). We reached out to Dorrill, but he refused to answer any questions. Wade Burleson is also part of the smear campaign, too. The church staff alleged that racism was behind the rejection. Wicker said that during the meeting, the men confronted him with an anonymous letter that accused Wicker of financial impropriety, such as not tracking his miles on a church-leased vehicle. By Jessica Pigg Last updated Nov 2, 2021 NAPLES Since Alan Brumback's call as lead pastor and his arrival in mid-September, First Baptist Church in Naples has seen baptismal waters stirred every weekend, having celebrated 42 baptisms in October and already scheduling another 15 in November. Takeaway: The problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church governance and judicial process are. Just because no one blatantly used a racial slur or expressed overtly racist statements does not mean that racism was not expressed or used during the selection process. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. Only love. Publisher Log-in Ricardo Barbosa December 25, 2014. We cant wait to meet you and get you connected! Where in the N.T. Ill never bother with a Church again, because this is always going to be an issue. The church did not hold a reception to honor Wickers decades of ministry, nor was Wicker permitted to address the congregation. The decision to excommunicate us 48 hours after a failed vote, without ANY confrontation, was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to make people pay and to establish a scapegoat. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church.. Sad state of affairs. It stinks to me of Greed. So for now we will go to Tampa & enjoy Church there, as no wish to be seen to support incompetence. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Their considerations related to legitimate theological, moral, and political issues. Am I not allowed as a deacon and 15+ year member of the church to ask questions about leaders who in my opinion have lied and deceived the church for political gain? At least four emails were "broadly sent," he wrote, with others privately sent. These were ALL issues that these so-called dissenters were trying to have addressed PRIOR to the arrival of Marcus. (Hey, and I know white people who love Woke Church!) I dont think that it was right how they treated him. However, CT said it was not able to confirm whether Biltmore Church received such communications. Greear, who had written a letter of recommendation for Marcus Hayes, called the open letter by FBC Naples leadership a bold, Gospel-faithful response of the leadership of FBC Naples. Greear added, Let us be united in lament that any vestige of this kind of sinful prejudice remains in our churches., Also, Danny Akin, president of SBC-affiliated Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (SEBTS), described the open letter as a strong and redemptive word from FBC Naples.. Honestly, the system that ousted him is the machine he created. It also shapes my needs, which tend to go forgotten or overlooked if you refuse to see I am a black woman. At the end of the service we found the pastor in The Commons area. This models anything but love and mocks justice. Certified Public Accountant, For nearly two weeks, Christian social media has been atwitter with commentary over whats being called The Asbury Revival at, Arizona Pastor Blows the Whistle on Andy Stanley, Robby Gallatys Glowsticks Are Not the Problem, Video: JD Reports on Critical Race Theory Tearing Apart SBC Megachurch, Southern Baptist Youth Pastor Fired for Questioning Near-Death Experience Teachings. This is a warning to all Southern Baptists. For sales or technical support please click here. It does not suddenly make a point valid or invalid. More about this ministry: Welcome to First Naples! Instead of the transition period Wicker announced, the staff strong-armed Wicker out after over a quarter of a century of service to the people of FBC Naples, sources told the Capstone Report. Select the event you would like to attend below: FRIDAY, Dec 9 (7pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. about the pastoral transition process at the church, a process which has descended It was all being done vindictively and not in a righteous, godly manner., Concerned families gravitated to the Caudills, who had served in SBC churches for over 50 years. their sin. And this statement was made by an African American pastor on Moody Radio. We have known Hayes & his family as good Christian people etc.for over 25 years. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. Similarly, SBC president J.D. They arrived in Naples and gathered other Baptist families to meet with them in a small outbuilding behind the local grocery store, meeting for their first worship . First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church. Last For these crimes, he was wrongly treated, humiliated, and denied even basic due process, and most certainly treated anything but Christ like. If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. Jemel Roberson was in my student ministry while I was a youth pastor in Chicago. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. The church decided to use the racism card instead ACTUALLY deal with the real issues going on. I am not lesser or better, but different. I believe Hayes was rejected because of racism. Following worship services on December 7 and 8, receptions were held to honor Edies six years at the church. DWCF. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. However, in May, Wicker said he agreed to videotape a short farewell message to members from a script both he and the personnel committee had approved. I think there were people in the church who were afraid of having a black pastor, especially one who does not subscribe to the ridiculous and ungodly notion of colorblindness and one who holds the racial views that Hayes does. Sylee Gibson, an excommunicated member who works in law enforcement, added that the man chairing the FBC Naples senior pastor search team is a Florida businessman with a checkered pastNeil Dorrill. On May 28, Caudill said the church placed him on disciplinary suspension from the deacon board and the senior pastor search team. The deacons vote on it, and, if they approve the recommendation, the individual then is informed. I'm New. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad.. Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, question and answer session with Hayes and his wife, Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer, Police release name of cop who killed black security guard who was corralling a gunman, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. the group wrote. Arkansas Youth Pastor Pleads Guilty to 13 Counts of Sexual Assault, Churches Respond to Action of SBC Executive Committee, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. Yet, thats what multiple sources have alleged is happening to them. "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. And thats ok. God created me too. You obviously didnt pay attention to everything in that article, only the points you chose to focus on on. A representative from the Collier County Sheriffs Office also confirmed that FBC Naples contacted them on July 3 regarding a suspicious incident., Wickers daughter, Allyson Stephens, said that on September 13, two detectives visited her home and questioned her about the Voices of FBCN email. When I look at Jesus and his disciples I do not see anything that looks as atrocious as this mess. FBC Naples, recently listed as the 64th largest SBC church in the country, appears to be withering in the wake of the scandal. I actually want you to see me as a black woman, because that has shaped my experiences in life how people have reacted to me, treated me, etc. It seems rather patronizing to minorities to assert that every minority persons ideas must be legitimate because the propounder is of a certain colour. He also didnt meet the qualifications for the job. Your Connection Portal. Come see the Living Christmas Trees. What they did to Rev Wicker and his Godly family is nothing but sinful. The search for a senior pastor continues, with Dorrill leading the search committee. But the uniform refusal to comment from the church leadership is suspicious. More: Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, "Our Pastoral Staff and leadership are deeply grieved and embarrassed," Edie wrote. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Church leaders often seem to operate like smoke filled back room big city politicians. Yet Caudill said that when he spoke up in meetings, the 79-year-old deacon was deemed divisive.. Boy oh boy. "Is that what the gospel is all about?". "Unfortunately our church familys business has become fodder for spotlight-seeking bloggers and others who are commenting about Christians whom they do not know personally, and slandering a church that they know little about," Sonya Stearns, a member of the church, said in an email to the Daily News. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? It is a populist movement of tremendous influence and minimal accountability. Read: Police release name of cop who killed black security guard who was corralling a gunman, Hayes quote-tweeted a November 2018 tweet by an attorney who represented Roberson's family after the fatal shooting. The turmoil at FBC Naples began about a year ago, when longtime Senior Pastor Hayes Wicker announced to the church that he was stepping down to make way for younger fresher leadership.. Is not the sheer stupidity of this self-evident? Food. Instead, the group alleges that the racism charge was a ruse by men who had recently seized control of the church, expelled and maligned a beloved pastor of 27 years, and then fabricated a basis for excommunicating those who had objected. No church creed has ever taught the nonsense that had become so pervasive in evangelicalism. Naples Christmas Celebration. Doesnt the Holy Spirit operate in us as individuals? Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Privacy Policy Our warfare is not against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12); and our duty as ambassadors does not permit us to compromise or align ourselves with any kind of human philosophies, religious deceit, or any other kind of falsehood (Colossians 2:8). is a pastoral search committee? (Auxanos founder, Will Mancini, also serves as director of consulting for Lifeway, the publishing division of the SBC.). I guess the good news is that we are all free to move to a different church whenever we like. This group was engaged in an email campaign to inform church members about various concerns with Marcus Hayes. More bluntly What have we done? . The church also launched a schoolFirst Baptist Academy. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? The leadership spread negative comments about the pastor and accused him of acting in bad faith, according to sources close to the church. Wicker called the allegations appalling., We reached out to Boone, specifically asking about the allegations mentioned in the video, but he did not respond. ADMISSIONS ATHLETICS BLOG CALENDAR CONTACT EMPLOYMENT FIRST NAPLES CHURCH GIVE . It was appalling and heartbreaking to witness. And second, Mr. Hayes did nothing to convince me that he would embrace me as a disgraced member of the church. I know that can seem like a simple concept, but it seems to be forgotten when the well a black person disagrees with it! argument is used. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. into an embarrassing public debacle. Clarified a few things I had heard through the SBC grape vine. That's not what happened at First Baptist Church of Naples, Florida. Mancini said its standard to recommend that an outgoing senior pastor not be involved in a pastoral succession process. Unfortunately, this did not meet the threshold. I spoke at length with this individual and how no reason to doubt the veracity of the individuals accounts. Church leaders have alleged that race played a role in the failed vote to affirm Hayes, causing a firestorm of heated discussion on social media and spawning posts by religious websites and blogs. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And because it promises rewards to individuals and organizations influence, students, platform it is both very hard to criticize and functionally unaccountable to any but its own. We asked him to allow us to hug him. Blake Crawford and former deacon, Mike Dolan, said they were also suspended around that time. He didnt return multiple phone calls and e-mails. ", Although church leaders don't believe that all who voted"no" did so based on race, Dorrill said,"it is undeniable that race played a part in the final days leading up to this election.". The final vote was 81 percent in favor and 19 percent against. We met his wife and daughters. The removal of the original pastor and his ENTIRE family, the threats to members from a law firm, and the mere fact that they were not abiding by their own by-laws are just a few of the issues going on. Instead, Ericksen said Hayes has no experience as a head pastor and said that his political views wouldn't go along with a conservative church. Former deacon, Blake Crawford, said Wicker was later exonerated of the charges in the anonymous letter by church accounting firm, Phillips Harvey Group. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. This ban prevented him from seeing his granddaughter perform in a play being put on at the churchs school, First Baptist Academy. A movement, to direct and shape the policies and testimony of the church is quite a thing. Jude certainly understood this. Enough racists voted against the pastor. The judge in the case withheld a conviction but gave Dorrill a $10,000 fine and three years probation. So we are ambassador-soldiers, reaching out to sinners with the truth even as we make every effort to destroy the lies and other forms of evil that hold them in deadly bondage. However, no one even begins to acknowledge that this system is the product of Hayes ministry. Sadly, too many people are more committed to idols than to truth and righteousness. Regardless of who is at fault for what, this is NOT what Church should be. In his quote-tweet, Hayes said Roberson was in his student ministry while he was a youth pastor in Chicago. They make me want to Puke profusely second only to Calvary Chapel. My heart goes out to his family. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. Looking for past sermons? What a great and wise man of God he is? You may recall this line from his I have a dream speech: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I believe Dr. King was right. First Baptist Church has had problems for years. And in 2006, Wicker served as head of the SBC Pastors Conference. I am saying that, as I have countless experiences of colorblind people saying or doing insensitive, offensive things because they forgot Im black. 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