TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Cookie Notice The Bagbys could scarcely believe. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. They have a network of supporters. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. Someone found a car that didn't belong. We. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Very, very serious. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Andrew came to St. John's. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. Help contribute to IMDb. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. "They are appalled and outraged.". Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? to reconsider getting some help with that. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. Obsessive and unstable, Shirley Turner lied to the police and fled to her family home in Newfoundland before she could be arrested. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. It's. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. I may be in Fantasyland. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? (Talking in group) This is not about money. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). How could they let an accused murderer walk free? They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. It's great. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. My gut just churned. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. I just want to get through medical school.'. Go away.'. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. IMDbPro Starmeter. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Andrew is dead. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. Was it true? Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. Cpl. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. I had a job I loved. Meeting her at 6. "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. We're churning. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. Serious crime is rare in this country. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. get in there, if that's what she demanded. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. Why? with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. I'm tired of this. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? Shirley. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. His parents were ecstatic. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. Unable to add item to List. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. We finally got a baby.. Oh, my God. murderer in check. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. He was jolly.. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. Mommy misses you. Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. He was such a good baby. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. We decided that on the plane.. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Whom was also a doctor. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. 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