I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. Potatoes for supper The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. and IRELAND vs SCOTLAND!! This is now a historical landmark. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? You can see why I am confused. I am still cradling my Bushmills 12 yr Distillery Reserve Whiskey. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. I noticed a little uncertainty about spelling in the story. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. Redbreast is wonderful, but spendy. A great whiskey. Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. Class dismissed. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. Assertive and complex, with lots of development and seemingly infinite dimension. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. Bushmills was my first taste of Irish Whiskey. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. Apparently it is, or was, a thing among certain Irish-Americans to signal their genuine Irishness by refusing Bushmills and drinking Jameson, supposedly the whiskey of Catholics and supporters of the Republic of Ireland. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! He said, no, Im Catholic, but I was born and raised in the town of Bushmills! Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. That was in fact untrue. I am Northern Irish and really only see this being an Irish American issue. You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. Not buying a certain brand of product because of centuries of English overlordship of Ireland is just so stupid on so many levels. Fact: the worst atrocities in the Irish struggle for freedom were perpetrated by the Irish on each other and were not likely fueled by religious affiliation but the politics of the time. However, it is generally accepted that the catagory, as a whole, is spelt that way as well. Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. The root of this myth lies in the fact that Bushmills is located in the predominately Protestant and still British Northern Ireland. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Slainte. One good friend turned to me and chuckled. Also, show some class fellas (Burnsy calling me an idiot) my grandfather who is from Tipperary lost friends because of the Black and Tans (you know the English convicts the English government set upon the Irish), in some cases they were beaten to death!! Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Been sipping since I was a wee-lad and have tried lots of whiskey with leanings towards both Irish whiskey and Single malt Scotches. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. Yep, this goes back to when Bushmills was still part of IDL (Irish Distillers Limited) and owned by Pernod. Not enough time to read through comments. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. But generally, if you like it sweet, you like Jamesons products (including Redbreast, 1780, and Powers) If you like it dry, youll prefer the Busmills lineup. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. 1996 in coal harbour Vancouver BC. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about jeff. Support the old sod. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Parents did their best to kill thatand they did. I was wondering this myself. as the visit was ending up with only 3 tiny plastic glasses half full. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. But NONE of this has anything to do with Whiskey brands and everything to do with prejudices. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. Generally, it is a little less expensive than Jameson. This is part of a long standing agreement from the old IDL days. The Protestant Reformation began in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517 . . He said, I guess they will have to be giving up the Guiness as well? Understanding the church. Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. Jameson is always a great go-to, easy and smooth. Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. Ah. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. William Riley, well said, man. He said Jameson trucks it up there when Jameson is at capacity, and Bushmills has the resources to do it. Instead, American Catholics drew exten sively from an earlier movement launched by Father Mathew, a Catholic friar in Ireland.1 This article analyzes the ways in which lay Catholics adapted temperance 1. As someone who drinks her whiskey with ginger ale and a slice of lime, I definitely vote Powers over any other. John Jameson was Pentecostal. My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. I said, so youre Protestant? Distilling of locally grown agricultural to produce alcohol is something that is not peculiar to Ireland. For a blend, I am really impressed with the Michael Collins. I do live in a Hicktown. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. neither, Im a Jew. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. , Do note that the greatest tv show of all time, The Wire, always showed the Baltimore cops ordering Jameson in the bars, and the hero, McNulty, becomes indignant when only Bushmills is available at a partys open bar ( I guess most of the cops were Irish Catholic ), so traditions prevailed. top off with chilled pulpy orange juice, AND stir lightly .. The answer is that it depends on the distillery. In some ways Im like woof, Thank you, @craftspiritsus for inviting me to give, CALLING ALL NACHOS AND WINGS LOVERS (okay and foot, Menu and blog update! And I was not drunk !!! Patrick Irish whiskey tends to be a lighter style of whiskey than Scotch or American whiskies, but that doesnt mean its necessarily lower in quality. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. Your email address will not be published. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: Turned out not to be such a controversy. Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? Drink which ever you palette desires!! Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. Love a pleanty No matter where it is produced. Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. Despised it. After all, thats what the Jacobites were all about. The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! Never been a fan of the Powers. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. Cheers! Corned beef as it exists today is an industrial product which was created during the British Industrial Revolution, with production centred around Ireland. Heres the real question why does everyone insist on handing us shots of jameson late night in colorado? To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. : ). . So bottoms up. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. Memories. I drink it often . Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! Get over it and drink what you feel. Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. The company has been running since 1780 and has developed and perfected the art of producing the premium quality, top shelf, and smoothest Irish whiskey in the world today. Is Jameson, Bushmills Really Catholic Versus Protestant Whiskey? And a true story: as a young Dublin barman I was confounded by a true-blue Dubliner who asked for a large Shirley Bassey. Jameson Irish Whiskey is produced in Midleton, Ireland, though the original home of the brand is in Dublin. About one-in-five (18%) chose "the Great Crusade," while 6% said "the Great Schism" and 5% said "the French Revolution She didnt give a toss about anyones religion, let alone the whiskeys. Most of those comments are from Americans who watch a lot of television, Im afraid. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. In side-by-side STEEL CAGES!! I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. [3] At the time the distillery had three pot stills, though only one, a 500-gallon still is thought to have been in use. Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. [3][1] The distillery, which had an output of about 6,000 gallons in its first year of operation,[4] initially traded as James Power and Son, but by 1822 had become John Power & Son,[1] and had moved to a new premises at John's Lane, a side street off Thomas Street. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. [9] They were the first Dublin distillery to do so, and one of the first in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. All appointments are made solely on the basis of merit.. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! Liquorice-like sherry notes Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. Though I guess thats for a different forum. Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! I am Catholic and Slovak and do not care what the British have done to the Irish. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. Im sure there were dodgy discriminatory practices based on race or religion in most big corporations in many countries in the past. Now this character I met at the bar is trying to tell me its the other way around. There is a rivalry, to be sure, but it is all about business, and not about religion. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. Good luck and god bless Hun. The northern Protestant states, angered by the violation of their rights to choose granted in the Peace of Augsburg, banded together to form the Protestant Union. ** TONIGHT!! Whiskey hasnt got a religion. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. Powers is my number one as the every day Irish whiskey of choice. Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. All Irish whiskey is great. Question, in the US, is Powers readily available? Granted, I dont mix my whiskey with Coke or Ginger Ale, so perhaps Im missing the best presentation of Powers Gold Label. The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. Powers gold label is absolute shit. Only if you are an idiot! The town of Bushmills is a black hole. To my certain knowledge and as am employee of Bushmills (and a Catholic by birth, but an atheist by choice), you are entirely mistaken. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! Found it very smooth to the tongue. I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). They are just businesses making whiskey. They also bottle Powers & Paddys as well. Privacy Policy | It resulted in the creation of a branch of Christianity called Protestantism, a name used collectively to refer to the many religious groups that separated from the Roman Catholic Church due to differences in doctrine. Usually King James Version. But in Falls Road and Shankill Road it is not really about religion, is it? I still live there. Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). Bourbon distillers only use barrels once, as the liquor gets its distinct flavor and color from the oak. To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. Many of these came from the grain mills along the Bush River, where the current distillery stands today. Having just visited Ireland, I spent time in both the north and the ROI. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. Prom_STar 9 yr. ago Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. Ive never even seen a bottle of Paddys (although I havent really been making an exhaustive search). Ill take one next time Im out. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. Asked the guide about it. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. Period. [1] History [ edit] And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. The Holy Roman Empire hint of linseed. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. It all comes down to politics in the grand scheme of things, be you Yank or Paddy. Good evening All, He replied, Bushmills. Yes, it is definitely misguided, even nuts, but its not a myth. Palate I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. What a great treat. If you dont beleive in god the whole situation would appear ridiculous. I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. and Rangers F.C., the two largest Scottish football clubs sometimes referred to as the Old Firm, whose support base is traditionally predominantly Catholic and Protestant respectively. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. All of it. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. Yet a great friend of Catholic Ireland. 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